Our Readers Speak: Unsubstantiated claims about Bush have no factual basis

2012-08-14T00:15:00Z Our Readers Speak: Unsubstantiated claims about Bush have no factual basisBy Gary Kump Montana Standard
August 14, 2012 12:15 am  • 

The Montana Standard is to be commended for including the “Our readers Speak” column in their newspaper. This forum allows local people to present their opinions on local, state, and national issues. However, several recent contributors have gone beyond just presenting an opinion. They attempted to back up their opinions with outlandish quotes supposedly made by a politician.

They presented these quotes as facts without giving a verified source.

Recently, a contributor made the statement that President George W. Bush said that “The Constitution is just a damn piece of paper.” If the contributor had done his homework, he would have found that this accusatory statement was made by a liberal political website called Capitol Hill Blue. Capitol Hill Blue later recanted their story by saying “This article was based on sources that we thought, at the time, were reliable. We have since discovered reasons to doubt their veracity. For that reason, this article has been removed.”

In another recent opinion letter written by E. Herman, Herman stated that President Bush, on a “very early morning program”, made this statement:

“President Obama didn’t put this country in this condition, I did.” I ask you mister Herman, what “very early morning program” were you watching and why didn’t you tell us the name of the program in your letter? If President Bush had made such a statement, we all know that the liberal media would have been all over this story and it would have been in the newspapers and on NBC, ABC, CBS, and CNN for days. Please E. Herman, submit another letter which includes the exact source of the statement that you contribute to President Bush. I will be watching closely for it!

Gary Kump

106 Rocky Mountain Lane,

Butte

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  1. EcoRover
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    EcoRover - August 22, 2012 7:22 am
    Former President G.W.Bush was a sch**uck: he started the expensive, failed war in Iraq based on false information; he wrecked the American economy and plunged us into a long-term recession; he interfered with agency decisions and made a mockery of environmental policies; and he brought America to a new low in our international reputation as a fair, just, and peace-loving nation. The most lasting image of President Bush's reign: landing on the deck of an aircraft carrier, stepping out in his flight suit, and proclaiming "Mission Accomplished" for a war that lasted 10 more years and that America lost.
  2. Dagtag
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    Dagtag - August 21, 2012 6:27 am
    Umm Fredo, from the liberal factcheck.org

    Democrats have jumped on Ryan’s budget proposal since he first presented it in 2011. His plan called for a massive change to Medicare — stopping the current Medicare system in 2022 for new beneficiaries and instead launching a so-called “premium-support” system, where seniors would pick from a choice of private plans on a new Medicare exchange with the help of government-provided subsidies. Claims that this would “end Medicare” — claims that were usually accompanied by images of elderly individuals — left the false impression that the Ryan plan would get rid of any kind of insurance program for seniors.

    Furthermore, this plan didn’t pertain to the seniors pictured in the attack ads — they would remain on traditional Medicare, with only new beneficiaries in 2022 and beyond joining the private system. The claim made our list of the “Whoppers of 2011,” and so far, Democrats are making a good case for its inclusion in our 2012 list. A Democratic super PAC used the claim again in an Iowa congressional race in February, and now Patriot Majority and the DSCC are joining in.

    Here’s a quick rundown of the latest Ryan plan:

    For seniors who are now in Medicare, nothing changes. They can stay with the traditional program as it is.
    Beginning in 2023, 65-year-olds would have their choice of insurance plans — private and traditional — on a new Medicare exchange. A premium-support payment, like a subsidy, would be sent to the plan of their choice.
    If the chosen plan costs more than the premium-support, the senior would pay the difference.
    The Medicare eligibility age would be slowly raised to 67 by 2034.
    All plans on the Medicare exchange would offer a base level of benefits, and they would be regulated by the Centers for Medicare and Medicaid Services.
    The premium-support payments would be tied to the second-cheapest plan, which can’t grow more than gross domestic product plus 0.5 percentage points. If the cost does grow faster, Congress would be required to step in and take some action to keep costs down.

    http://www.factcheck.org/2012/07/no-end-to-end-medicare-claim/

    More? Ok

    http://factcheck.org/2012/08/outdated-attacks-on-ryan/

    Really Fredo you should stop following so blindly, makes you look silly.
  3. Fred Brewer
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    Fred Brewer - August 20, 2012 11:26 am
    Looks like you're the one who needs to do some research. Or just follow the actual news, instead of relying on Fox Fraudcasting.

    "Ryan in Florida defending Medicare voucher program

    August 18, 2012 4:50 AM - http://www.cbsnews.com/video/watch/?id=7418522n

    Mitt Romney's running mate, Wisconsin Rep. Paul Ryan, has a controversial Medicare plan that may turn off many older voters. Chip Reid reports on how Ryan is trying to sell his plan to voters in the key swing state of Florida."

    Good luck with that!
  4. jhburton
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    jhburton - August 20, 2012 11:24 am
    Freddy, maybe you can ask your mentor, Joe "I'm not all that bright" Biden for his opinion.

    :)
  5. Fred Brewer
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    Fred Brewer - August 19, 2012 10:44 pm
    @Mouthie - Six different commenters here have pointed out your lies........again. You think if you just keep repeating them, somehow they'll magically transform into truth?

    It's a pretty standard pattern. You bluster and lie. You get caught, and your lies are refuted in specific detail. Then you bluster and call everyone names. They point out that your lies are still lies. Then you bluster some more, and maybe, if you can find something that seems impressive to you, you'll copy/paste an op-ed piece that doesn't have anything to do with the issue. Then you claim that proves something.

    I'm waiting for you to proclaim "Mission accomplished" and look around with a goofy smirk.
  6. Dagtag
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    Dagtag - August 19, 2012 10:02 pm
    You need to do some research, this "voucher program" stuff was made up by the far left nut balls on MSNBC. You only make yourself look moronic by repeating the misinformation you pick up from the ultra left pundits.
  7. Dagtag
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    Dagtag - August 19, 2012 9:57 pm
    Really Fredo? Did he receive foreign student aid? Did he get special treatment to get into Harvard? What were his grades? Please cite sources if you answer, your usual mindless bombast doesn't answer anything so please don't waste my time with more of the same.
  8. jhburton
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    jhburton - August 19, 2012 10:37 am
    Freddy the Fabricator, of course, can't point out the/a lie; he relies on his "true believer's" faith that what he is told by his intellectual superiors (in charge of disseminating nonsense and socialistic propaganda) to spoon feed him all they deem necessary for him to not understand or know.

    Fred, like his mentor, Joe Biden, isn't all that smart.
  9. Fred Brewer
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    Fred Brewer - August 18, 2012 10:28 pm
    @Mouthie - I don't think even you are stupid enough to believe the lies you're repeating. You're just trying to be a troll. The fun part is watching you be so bad at it.
  10. jhburton
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    jhburton - August 18, 2012 4:12 pm
    How is the anger management therapy coming, Freddy?

    Still having problems with self control at your advanced age? :)
  11. jhburton
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    jhburton - August 18, 2012 4:11 pm
    Yeah, a voucher plan which will allow anyone currently receiving Medicare benefits to continue to receive them, and a plan which will save Medicare from insolvency.

    The same medicare plan which your Marxist in Chief has no plans to save from insolvency, and which will reduce every single current and future Medicare beneficiary's benefit by a minimum of 25%.

    As to Sen. Harry Reid, the man who is lying about having received information from a former Bain Capital employee about Romney, all he has to do is provide the name of the individual who provided him with the information..

    As to Biden, you remember him, right? The current vice president who not three days ago told a group of African Americans that Romney & Ryan wants to put them back in chains.

    The singularly most unintelligent man ever elected to be Vice President.

    Obama will have enough to do trying to defend keeping this idiot as his vice president.

    Romney & Ryan have little to worry about.
  12. Comparadun2
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    Comparadun2 - August 18, 2012 6:49 am
    As to the original piece, about mis-statements attributed to Little Bush; there are enough gaffs and his record (on the record) to laugh and cry about without making them up.

    As to Romney, it is simple. If he has nothing to hide about his taxes, then let him release the returns. Course he may not want to do that now, since he will have enough to do trying to defend his choice of Ryan as a running mate. You remember Ryan, right? He's the one that wants to turn Medicare into a voucher program.
  13. Fred Brewer
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    Fred Brewer - August 17, 2012 11:20 am
    So prove that no one from Bain ever called Sen Reid.

    Or just keep lying about the simple fact that Romney is trying to hide embarrassing facts about his tax dodging.

    I expect everyone knows which you'll choose.
  14. Fred Brewer
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    Fred Brewer - August 17, 2012 12:17 am
    Now we see the Mouth from the South in full foam-at-the-mouth rant. Repeating the same silly lies over and over.

    Sen Reid didn't say Mr Romney hadn't paid income taxes for the last 10 years. He said someone told him that.

    If that isn't true, all Mitt Romney has to do is release those same tax records that he turned over to the McCain campaign when he was being considered as a VP candidate.

    Show us the tax returns, Mr Romney!

    And, by the way Mouthie, the candidate's name is spelled R-O-M-N-E-Y, not R-O-M-E-N-Y. You really need to go back and repeat a couple of years of grade school. Getting held back a year in 4th grade apparently wasn't enough to bring you up to acceptable standards.
  15. jhburton
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    jhburton - August 16, 2012 5:40 pm
    Where is Reid's proof he is telling the truth.

    If one follows Unconny's logic, then Reid might as well accuse him of murder, rape or robbery as well.

    Romney won't produce the proof because he knows Reid is lying and he can prove it by forcing him to name the source, which everyone knows Reid can't do.

    Reid lied. :)
  16. jhburton
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    jhburton - August 16, 2012 5:37 pm
    You remind me of the wheezy kid who can't understand why he can't play football because his mom won't let him go outside to play with all the normal kids, Comrade Jackie.

    You want to play, but you're mom won't let you because she knows deep down inside you're not normal, and the rest of the kids will pick on you.

    :)
  17. jhburton
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    jhburton - August 16, 2012 5:34 pm
    What are you hiding, Harry?

    Name the source...

    Name the source...

    Name the source...
  18. jhburton
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    jhburton - August 16, 2012 5:33 pm
    Maybe if Obama hadn't attended 20 years of church services presided over by his mentor, Jeremia Wright, a well known & prolific racist, as well as the man who delivered his wedding nuptuals, he wouldn't be dogged by questions concerning his political and personal integrity regarding issues of race bias himself.

  19. jhburton
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    jhburton - August 16, 2012 5:27 pm
    Really, Fabricating Fred?

    Every accusation made against the Marxist in Chief has been proved to be a lie?

    How about providing all of us with all the lies which have been told about the president along with all your proof asserting the lies as such?

    Let's start there. :)

    I love it when Freddy the Fabricator deals in absolutes :)

    LOVE IT!
  20. jhburton
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    jhburton - August 16, 2012 5:24 pm
    LMFAO!

    Now Fabricating Fred Brewer is quoting the "rules of evidence" in a Harry Reid's attempt to try him in the court of public opinion...BY TELLING A LIE ABOUT ROMENY.

    The necessary evidence is within the utterance of Harry Reid's lips. All he need do is say the name of the person at Bain Capital who allegedly told him that Romney didn't pay income taxes for 10 years.

    Harry Reid is lying, and everyone knows it :)
  21. jhburton
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    jhburton - August 16, 2012 5:20 pm
    Maybe something in Obama's college records and his past associations with the "not so reverend Jeremiah Wright, a racist and black liberation theologist, and Bill Ayers, an avowed communist and perpetrator of domestic terrorism, is why Obama doesn't want to release any records dealing with his past?

    And, just as importantly, maybe Harry Reid is a liar who got in a lie?
  22. Fred Brewer
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    Fred Brewer - August 16, 2012 11:45 am
    @Daggie - The President has indeed been accused of all sorts of things, and every accusation has been proven to be a lie.

    So the extreme right is reduced to just repeating the same lies, over and over, hoping to confuse a few weak minds. That much, at least, they do pretty well.

    Maybe if Mr Romney produces his birth certificate that'll make the income tax issue go away.

    Or maybe not.
  23. Dagtag
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    Dagtag - August 15, 2012 10:04 pm
    You clowns are funny. You swallow every statement Obama makes and accuse anyone of questioning anything about him of racism and yet two years of actual documentation aren't good enough. Did Obama receive foreign student aid? Did he get special treatment to get into Harvard? What were his grades? He has been accused of all sorts of things so the burden of proof should be on him according to you Fredo...
  24. Dagtag
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    Dagtag - August 15, 2012 9:48 pm
    unconvinced says "If Reid is lying, then why doesn't Romney show his returns? He could clear this all up in less time than it took Obama to produce a birth certificate because it's easier for Romney to get his tax returns.

    Romney won't produce them for one simple reason, he knows American won't like what they see and he won't get elected."

    All of which only proves he hates mormons for no reason. Asking any question about Obama received immediate accusations of racism so this must be anti mormon. If Obama doesn't have to explain his connections to Jeremiah Wright, Bill Ayers and on and on or his possible foreign student aid or his college records why should Romney have to prove anything? in the words of unconvinced I guess Obama won't produce any of this because "for one simple reason, he knows American won't like what they see and he won't get elected."

  25. unconvinced
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    unconvinced - August 15, 2012 1:29 pm
    Maybe something in those 20 years of tax returns is why Palin was picked over Romney?
  26. Twangs
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    Twangs - August 15, 2012 12:19 pm
    Romney released 20+ years of tax returns when being vetted by McCain. And then McCain picked Sarah Palin. Seems as though it'd be very easy for Romney to release those same returns to all. A key part of the story, which the "liberal" yet corporate owned media is basically ignoring, choosing instead to focus on Reid. Repub's love to dish it out, but when their tactics are used against them by the Dem's they have a hysterical tantrum. It's one of those basic life lessons...if you're going to dish it out then you'd better learn how to take it too.
  27. Fred Brewer
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    Fred Brewer - August 15, 2012 11:27 am
    Get past all the noise and bluster (or all the mouth and attitude), and you see an interesting reality -

    "The necessary evidence is not only within Romney's possession but is also material that candidates in his position normally release to the public and that the public expects to see. It is material that he previously surrendered to Senator John McCain's campaign staff in 2008, when they were vetting him for a possible vice presidential nomination. (For now, they are conspicuously silent on the Reid controversy.)

    There is a legal doctrine that applies to Romney's current behavior, as Indiana attorney John Sullivan points out — and it doesn't place the burden of proof on Reid:

    At law, if a person in control of evidence refuses to produce the evidence, then the jury is instructed that there is a presumption that the evidence would be against the party failing to produce. It is called the "Missing Evidence" instruction.

    The missing evidence is in Romney's grasp, yet he insists that he will never produce it. Does anyone need instruction from a judge to make the correct inference?"
    http://www.creators.com/liberal/joe-conason/the-missing-evidence-in-romney-s-tax-records.html

    "Missing evidence rule is a principle of evidence law that focuses on the impact on the jury of the defendant's non production of evidence at trial. According to this rule,when a party fails at trial to present evidence that the party controls and that would have been proper to present, the jury is entitled to infer that the evidence would have been unfavorable to that party."
    http://definitions.uslegal.com/m/missing-evidence-rule/
  28. JackO
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    JackO - August 15, 2012 10:59 am
    The truth will come out Burton. You remind me of the football players who vigorously point down field after a fumble, before the referee even makes the call whose ball it is.
  29. unconvinced
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    unconvinced - August 15, 2012 7:26 am
    I don't drink burtie, don't work as ranch hand either, but have a lot of respect for those that do.

    I pay for me, always have. Who pays you to spend all day blogging? Come on Harper, let's hear the truth.
  30. oldie
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    oldie - August 14, 2012 11:46 pm
    in re to jhburton...You say all Reid has to do is name the source. All I want to say to you is that all Romney needs to do is:

    Show me the taxes!

    Show me the taxes!

    Show me the taxes!

    Yeah, show me the taxes. And one other little thing for Mitt when you see him next?

    When the government bailed out the banks, it became, for a time, a part owner in the banks. And as an owner it was then able to examine the books of other banks they did business with. Some of those banks were Swiss banks with secret accounts for tax-dodging Americans. Were you one of those tax-dodging Americans who was caught with their pants down, Mitt? Just asking. You know Mitt, curious minds want to know. You are running for President you know. We are all real curious about you.

    What are you hiding?
    Show us the taxes!
    curiously,
    Oldie
  31. jhburton
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    jhburton - August 14, 2012 5:39 pm
    Reid lied.

    It's plain as day.

    Even his liberal buddies have distanced themselves from the Sen. Liar, Liar Pants on Fire.

    All he needs to do is name the source.

    LMAO!
  32. unconvinced
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    unconvinced - August 14, 2012 3:54 pm
    And where is burton's proof that Reid lied? Nowhere. He just makes things up to substantiate his opinion.

    If Reid is lying, then why doesn't Romney show his returns? He could clear this all up in less time than it took Obama to produce a birth certificate because it's easier for Romney to get his tax returns.

    Romney won't produce them for one simple reason, he knows American won't like what they see and he won't get elected.

    Lying is to a conservative what slime is to a snail.
  33. oldie
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    oldie - August 14, 2012 3:33 pm
    I don't know if Bush made those 2 statements or not. I'm inclined to agree with Mr. Kump, and so I'll say that I doubt that he did. Of course Bush has never once admitted that he has ever made any kind of mistake, ever. He is one in 100 million if it's true, but I sincerely doubt that he's never made a mistake.

    If he didn't actually say that he thought that the Constitution is merely a "piece of paper" he sure as heck acted as if he thought so. And if he did not actually admit on air that he caused the recession, it is, none-the-less, factually true that he did. Obama just had the bad luck to walk in on the mess Bush and his buddies caused.

    The big lie is that the state of the economy is Obama's fault, when everything he tries to do to fix it is denied to him by the Republicans in Congress. They would still rather bankrupt the country than give Obama any credit for doing anything positive. Now that's a fact. And everybody knows it too. That's why I call the Republican Party of the United States an anti-American, subversive organization. They are in the business of doing harm to the country. The only reason they have for underminging our economy is the pursuit of power; naked power, that's all. That's it, they want their power, no matter what the cost to the country.

    As to Senator Reid's claim that Mitt Romney paid no taxes even after earning millions of dollars, I believe it, and I'll tell you why. One of those years Harry Reid mentioned is 2009. 2009 is the year after the stock market crash. Anybody that had stock market losses in 2008, which Romney certainly must have had, would have deducted those losses in 2009. Now, since Romney only pays roughly one third of what everybody who works for wages pays in any normal year, it is entirely plausible that he paid absolutely no taxes at all in 2009. No taxes! Just what Harry Reid said. No taxes at all. At least in 2009. I believe it. I believe it so much I'd bet money on it. Any takers burton?
  34. jhburton
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    jhburton - August 14, 2012 11:38 am
    Come on now, Mr. Kump.

    Every conservative knows that liberals aren't interested in facts anymore than they are interested in truth telling.

    When facts don't exist to substantiate their opinion, or a story they want to tell, they simply make them up out of whole cloth...just like Sen. Harry "pants of fire" Reid lying about having received a phone call from an anonymous Bain Capital employee who told him (Reid) that Romney hadn't paid taxes for a ten year period.

    Reid lied and everyone knew Reid lied.

    Lying is to a liberal as slithering is to a snake.

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